Da eard is flat!

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Although from early childhood we have been indoctrinated into a heliocentric mindset, with all the secondary, or second hand "knowledge" jammed down our throats, so to speak, that promotes this, and only this theory as fact, the preponderance of primary, or first hand knowledge that we each? have accumulated overwhelmingly tells us that it ain't so. Even though we have been programmed from a small child to criticize, and demean anyone with a differing theory, that doesn't make it so. The earth is flat, or better said, a fixed plane. Having only come in contact with this idea in the last 6 months, this is my present understanding. I have looked at many things regarding this subject, and am left with the conclusion that our reality is much different than what we have been led to believe. We have been trained to dismiss many things that we can see with our own eyes, and sense with our own senses because "science" tells us to believe them instead. And who are we to question the super enlightened ones? We have been brought to a place where we ask them what-is-what even when we have something right in front of us to observe for ourselves. We don't trust ourselves any more, but defer to "science". So it's easy to feed us any odd what-not from their hyper speculative bag of tricks. Easy! They have the grants, the schools, nasa, the money, the media. No one makes a move that they aren't in charge of it. If you promote looking at a differing world view, even in passing, you're out. The Copernican theory is over arching, and Einstein's relativity is unquestioned. By the way, both of these men knew, and stated that these were theories that they were unable to prove. And evolution is their 'bible'. All of this has been "fact" for our lifetimes, and no alternate theories will be heard from, unless, we determine to question with open minds the possibilities that our own senses might reveal.Since the club is anxious to get hits on our site, I post this thinking that it might very well get some. It is a subject that can be a lot of fun. It can be difficult as well, since it is easier to deceive someone than it is to make them believe that they have been deceived. Whom among us wants to find out that much of what we "know" is a lie, or at the very best, unproven theory adopted as fact? We pass on secondary information all the time as if it were primary knowledge to us, but it isn't. We will argue to the death, for example, that the earth is a sphere spinning tilted on it's axis at about 1000 mph, while orbiting the sun at 67,000 mph, with our sun, and us travelling towards the constellation Hercules at 43,000 mph, while moving upwards, at 90 degrees to the plane of the Milky Way, at 4.34 miles per second or 15,624 MPH, and our solar system orbiting the galaxy at 446,000 mph. This a combined speed of over 574,000 mph, and we don't sense any movement of any kind. And even with all of this fantastic, undetected movement, Polaris, the north star, has always been directly up from the north pole, with all the stars rotating around it counter clockwise.? This is only one example of where we are in our mindsets. I am submitting that if we can be taught to defend this kind of thing, maybe even violently defend it, it being based strictly on second hand information, because we have no way to verify any of this, we can be trained to do, and think anything. And I submit that we have.Please keep the comments civil, assuming there are some comments added here, traffic to this site being what it is. Prove me wrong, or prove me right, but remember that we all love each other here. Resorting to name calling, which I have seen around this subject, only proves the name caller to be somewhat tenuous in his/her position, to say the least, and tends to make him/her look like they know the other guy is right anyway.? <br style="color: #000000" />Happy New Year on this flat earth![[ ]]
 
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Some are grieved that we have been lied to about these things, and that they have then passed on the lies to others. But it does seem funny until reality sets in.
 
I heard talk of this on the radio and it made me sad. ?We should continue to become smarter are a whole, but there always seems to be groups of people trying to hold everyone back. ?I have seen enough proof in my time here to know the Earth is not flat. ?To think that every video made would have been modified so that the Earth looks round... and for what reason? ?I used to work with a guy that sent cameras up on weather balloons. ?I guess he was in on it too, because I saw the videos he took and you could see a round Earth. ?Maybe all of our cameras are made to make the Earth look round!?!? ?Or the simple truth is that the Earth really is round and not flat like they once thought. ?You can't blame them for thinking it was flat. ?They didn't have the technology we have today. ?It has helped us learn so much about the world and space around us.If you are still not convinced, go to the ocean and look as far as you can... use an expensive telescope and tell me if you can see the other side. ?You know why you can't? ?Because the Earth is not flat. ?Travel the world and experience the different climates. ?How does a flat Earth explain all of this?If you are a good conspiracy theorist, you will have something that makes even less sense to come back with for each and every question that anyone can think of. ?The better question is, why would it matter if it was flat? ?What harm is being done? ?What would be gained by saying it was something other than what it is?
 
One will never even consider the possibility that they have been deceived as long as they are happy with a lie. You asked "What difference would it make?" If we are passing along unverified, second hand information as fact that turns out to have always been false, we are liars. That matters to some of us.?There are some basics that once any interested, truth loving person examines will give cause to reflect on the world view that we have been fed with a degree of scepticism. I will include links to a few videos that present some of these thought provoking insights.?If you can offer any first hand knowledge/proof/repeatable experiment proving the following, I would love to hear about it.--- The curvature of the earth. If it exists, then it could easily be proven somehow from right here on the ground. But alas, there has never been any such experiment done. We are looking, and we can't find it. In fact, when on a large body of water, such as Lake Michigan, one can see the entire Chicago skyline from 59 miles away on the opposite shore. According to the formula for the curve of the earth, and water being as flat a surface as can be had on this earth, even the tallest building should be completely unseen from that distance. At 59 miles distance, there is supposed to be a 2320 foot curve down from your feet in every direction, 2100 feet curve downward from your eyes if at 5'6" height. Many, many examples like this can be had all over the earth!--- The sun is 93 million miles away. First hand knowledge only please. I can offer some things that indicate that it is probably only about 62 miles away, but I have not proved it yet. An experiment to verify this is doable by anyone that is truly scientific minded, and can afford the time, and can be in the right place at the right time, and cares. I want to do this one myself one day. But I can tell you, the crepuscular rays of the sun, if you take time to actually observe for yourself, tell some interesting stories.--- The moon is 238,000 miles away.--- The light from the moon is the reflection of the sun. You can take a common temperature laser gun at night, when the moon is shining, and check the temperature of a surface in the moonlight, and the temperature of the same surface, except in the shade of the moon, and the moonlit surface will be a lower temperature than the shaded surface. Does that make sense if it is reflected sun light?--- The earth moving even a little bit. I don't mean during an earthquake. I am talking about traveling through space as described in my introduction above. Einstein said that he could not prove it. Please don't tell me that you have seen the nasa videos of outer space. Those are tv shows, and hearsay as to their authenticity. There has never been an experiment that proved the earth moving, only experiments that showed it not moving. But they always throw those out because they worship at the feet of Copernican theory. It's just like a church that can't see certain truths in scripture because they are beholden to headquarters to look the other way on certain things.--- Gravity as we have been taught. We all know that items heavier than air come down to earth, and that lighter than air objects go up. Prove gravity as it concerns the moon orbiting earth without being drawn toward the sun as we are. And the moon causing tides when the earth is closer than the moon to the oceans, and with more gravity.?--- How space meets our atmosphere without all of it mixing into equilibrium like everything else does in our experience.--- How do space ships get thrust in outer space when a vacuum has no molecules to push off from?--- How did nasa get 7 missions to the moon, but now, 50 years later, they are trying to figure out how to get past the van allen radiation belts without getting cooked?--- How do the space shuttles get into orbit when they drop their fuel tanks while flying parallel with the surface of the earth, and still in our atmosphere? Where is the fuel needed to make that final push into space, and why fly parallel with the earth if you are going up into space? And why are they always going out to sea, and are out of range of our sight when they supposedly make that final push? Why are there never any videos of that final push?--- When the space shuttles land, why do you hear the roar of engines if they are gliding in for a landing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBXltED3-bw&t=130shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfgbqFyiisQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RIBO7VB0VEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=938NyxWnW58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEAw4jhe1oohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaiw-G1VGE&t=157shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i_iDyUTCg??
 
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I have to ask, why is the title "Da eard is flat!" and not "The Earth is flat!"? ?I think people would be more likely to click on this if the title was correct.I don't consider it lying when my intent is to explain the truth. ?If I know something and tell another person only to find out later that I was wrong, I didn't lie to them. ?I was just wrong. ?In order for me to lie, I must know that what I am saying is not true. ?Whether you agree with this or not, is not the issue. ?Now back to the fun part!I don't need to go prove what I already know is fact since I have seen it first hand, but maybe you need to go do your own research and not just take what you see on youtube from others as fact.All you need to do is fly to Canada across the lake from Chicago and set up your own camera like the guy in the first video on this blog (Chicago mirage) did. ?Take your telescope out across a bigger stretch of water and see if you can see the other side. ?Send up your own camera in a weather balloon. ?Just because you don't understand science, doesn't make it not true.When I showed this to my wife last night, she said "How can a guy who writes so intelligently, talk about something so crazy?" ?I agree that you sound well read (more so than myself), but I have always been fascinated with math and science.
 
When I showed this to my wife last night said:
The point of the original post is not to display ignorance of basic science (or to suggest some conspiracy where EVERYONE who says the Earth is round is simply lying), the point is in?his comment "Since the club is anxious to get hits on our site, I post this thinking that it might very well get some."?Site traffic is desirable.?Site traffic for threads not related to the club and forum's purpose is desirable??? If yes, there are certainly a number of topics one could open for discussion?that would drive a bunch of hits.??All publicity is good publicity I'm told.? Not sayin I believe that, it's just what I have heard.????
 
I want to take more responsibility for my actions than just being ignorantly well intentioned! I want to stop ignoring what I see with my own eyes, and stop ignoring what I sense with my own senses. Willful ignorance won't stand up in a court of law, or in any honest setting. I am responsible for passing on only truthful information. The fact that I may have decided to go along unquestioningly with the flow of the most travelled path does not relieve me from that responsibility. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this post, and respectfully submit to you that unless you are a learner, and are able to contemplate that you might have been deceived about some things, you won't be able to do other than what you are doing here - denying the possibility outright with eyes closed tight to any new information. It is not unusual that one would not want to have their mindsets exposed as having a less than stable foundation. I am not happy about it either! But the standard that I am held to is one of absolute adherence to truth, and reality. It is difficult to expose my thinking to such scrutiny, to admit that I have received concoctions instead of facts. But I know that it is truth that sets us free, so I purpose to continue in that direction. I am exposing lies that have been perpetrated on generations of persons, including myself. Some have no problems with lies. Lots make their money off of lies. Lies are the foundations that many depend on, so why would they confront them, expose them? They certainly would not. Governments, as an example, depend on lies to keep power, over other governments, and over their own people. It should not be that way, but it is. Powerful men that have most of the money lie, and manipulate to keep the sheeple in the right mindset to keep making them richer. They want a docile flock of spoon fed, pablum drooling, herd mentality sheeple. They don't want independent, reality based thinkers running loose to spread this freedom/reality stuff. They don't want people knowing that we are at the center of all that is, and special to the One that placed us here. Ignorant, brain washed jetsam, and flotsam in an infinite, meaningless, godless universe makes good fodder for the "cannon" that creates more wealth/power for them, more unquestioning servants for them. (If you have a trillion dollars in the bank, and you just gotta have more, do you think that just maybe you might have some inordinate greed/power issues driving you to manipulate, and control to get it? If you believe that you have got to have it all, what wouldn't you do to get it?) Not only are we brain washed in the lies, we have been programmed to dismiss any potential truth that differs from the "party line" without even examining it, and to attack the bearer of that potential new light. They have done their jobs very well!You are happy as you are, or are you? You believe what you believe by faith. Like the rest of us, you can't prove the most basic of the present day tenets of science by observation, or experimentation, but blindly take someone else's word for it all. That is called "faith". You are assuming that science is dedicated to truth above politics, greed, manipulation for power, etc.,. That is a big assumption that we all have made for a long time. But I am waking up from that as we speak, and questioning everything so that at the end of each day, I can hopefully be closer to a true understanding of this place that we live in. I recommend that you get in on it. The mass meme is fixin' to change!By the way, I have grown up in this present system, and know as much as anyone about the present scientific standpoints. I am going back over it to examine it objectively this time, without all the inherent biases that it was injected with prior to it's revelation to me. I am discovering that they left out all the stuff that did not prop up their pet theories.I almost forgot. I said "da eard" because there is a Jamaican sounding song that says it like that, and I like the melody. It obviously means "the earth". I don't think that there is any confusion about that.?
 
Posted by: fperkins[quote="When I showed this to my wife last night said:
The point of the original post is not to display ignorance of basic science (or to suggest some conspiracy where EVERYONE who says the Earth is round is simply lying), the point is in?his comment "Since the club is anxious to get hits on our site, I post this thinking that it might very well get some."Site traffic is desirable.Site traffic for threads not related to the club and forum's purpose is desirable??? If yes, there are certainly a number of topics one could open for discussion?that would drive a bunch of hits.?All publicity is good publicity I'm told.? Not sayin I believe that, it's just what I have heard."]?This site is so counter intuitive in it's design that I doubt it will draw many into using it, even if they find it. I am spoiled, I guess, by our last site?
 
Posted by: mwilk19Many people around the globe believe the Earth is flat. Just sayin'. said:
?And many on this fixed plane know it, too!:)I ran into a lady a few months ago that told me that the day "they landed the first man on the moon", her grandmother told her that there was no man landed on that moon. I wish that someone had given me that alternative perspective to consider when I was a child! As it is, I only ran across that idea at the age of 59, just months ago. That whole moon landing, carry a dune buggy in the boot, and golf playin', tin foil plastic moon lander mess is total nonsense! I sure wish that I had had someone back then that was outside of the brain washed masses to interact with, like her common sense grandmother!?
 
[denying the possibility outright with eyes closed tight to any new information.] said:
You forget that I have seen what I consider proof with?my own eyes. ?I saw first hand video from a weather balloon that clearly shows the curvature of the Earth. ?Maybe someday we will all be able to go up and see.
[It obviously means "the earth". I don't think that there is any confusion about that.] said:
Obviously there was confusion about this until I read your entire post. ?I skimmed past it a few times before I became curious about what reef item was flat.
 
You can see the curvature of the earth at an altitude of 35,000 feet.?? You need however to be in the front of the plane with a unobstructed 60 degree or so view.In the early 60s, before all the BS with cabin lock-down, airlines used to let children look out the cockpit window.? Been there, done that (I was 8 or 9 at the time).? The curve was quite visible flying over KS.In late 1976 I was catapulted off a Nimitz class aircraft carrier on a emergency return to the U.S. from the Med.?? It was a Navy craft, flew much higher that 35,000, and did so w/o closing the cockpit doors.?? As the plane barely had seats, had no entertainment system, and was one long-ass flight, I looked out the windows quite a few times.??Will wonders never cease, the earth still appeared?curved when looking at miles and miles and miles of ocean.Fake moon landing conspiracies started BEFORE the landing.??Hard to believe you haven't heard about them until recently.?? One of astronauts punched a guy? out a year or so back for asking "are you lying about being on the moon?"?Flat-earthers are a riot.? They have been around ( I think the society has less than 5000 members ) forever.?? The sun and moon are 30-odd miles above the earth??Stars are?3100 miles above the?earth?? There is a?"shadow moon" we can't see that causes eclipses?? The Antarctic is a 150 mile ice-wall around the circular flat earth??? Easy to prove much of their assertions are false yourself.? Not cheap, but you can exercise your DIY nature and go take a look-see.?Everyone knows the secret elements of the trilateral commission (http://trilateral.org/) runs the world and makes all the important decisions.? Fortunately it seems they are ready to start a world war early next year (or do you think the whole "U.S -?Russia"?and "N. Korea(w?China support)?- everyone else" noise is not serious business?).? Will certainly increases the number of job opportunities? ( I mean really, after Reagan destroyed?the U.S.S.R?how many people lost their jobs when the military-industrial complex downsized;? need to get all them people back to work and?also implement?a bit of Malthusian-population adjustment before Mother Nature finally decides?the rampant infestation?(humans) needs to be subjected to one more cataclysmic near-extinction event).?????????
 
??This site is so counter intuitive in it's design that I doubt it will draw many into using it, even if they find it.??I most definitely concur with your analysis.? ?
 
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