Thanks for all you help guys Russ from Neptune Apex Forum hooked up with me on the phone and it was all because my Internet and my apex have the same IP address took us a while but he was able to walk me through it after he done some reading and looking up some information on it, he said after being in the IT field for about 25 yrs he has never once seen this. what a awesome dude and the knowledge he holds it was cool to be able to talk to him instead of texting him a big high five the Michael Russ from Neptune Apex Forum