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tdreefer

[Get this - Ammonia - 0, Nitrites - 0, Nitrates <.25 , PH 8.0-8.2, Alk - Normal, mandarin goby, mated maroons, yellow tang, anemone, coral beauty are all fine. :nod:

Copperband, Hawk, and Anthia - after two weeks eating and doing fine - all dying today. :cry:

I did an emergency water change out of desparation. But these guys were all bought the same day - from the store on Greenville. I've had such mixed results with them - uggghh! :taz:]



Edited By tdreefer on 1107318051
 
[How sad! Only the new fish are in trouble/dying, the rest are fine? Better keep testing the water, and watch the rest of your livestock closely.]
 
[Thanks guys - yip, in fact ever since I visited this smart guy who goes by the handle Tpeck, I've been testing weekly, monitoring my TDS levels, my ph, salinity . . . etc. . .]
 
[Could be the fish source. Where did they get the fish from?
How were they captured? If not netted this could be your why.]
 
[Sounds like disease. It could of contaminated you whole tank. Did you quarintine those fish?]
 
[Yeah I have had really mixed results with the Greenville store. They're pretty helpful. But they're livestock is a real gamble.

As far as it being a disease, its certainly possible and like Marc said I'll be watching closely.]
 
[If they all die that would be strange. Not that this is a good thing, but hopefully it is from cyanide trapping. And not some disease that will spread to the other fish. No signs of distress? Did you see them eating? And when and if they died was it very suddenly?]
 
[I made sure they were eating at the store. Copperbands are difficult to keep and and are known for just showing up dead one day. But the other two were very robust then this afternoon just started to gasp and by 11pm the hawk died and the other two were swimming erratically. I haven't seen either in a couple of hours.]
 
[How was the acclimating procedure for the new fish?
Perhaps there may have been more SG and Temp differences than expected and needed more care than normal for the process?]
 
[Sorry about your fish...

I'm starting to think that keeping fish is the hardest part of this hobby. :very sad:]
 
[I get so fed up with the quality of fish at Fish Gallery. I always see cool fish I want but they have parasites.

I hope its not velvet. I had a velvet outbreak in QT. It killed three fish and three survived. It is wicked.]
 
[Nope, no velvet, no ick, no popeye. No visable signs - other than the gasping. Very indicative of cyanide-induced liver-failure.


As far as acclamaiting - becuase I was adding three fish at once, and one was a copperband - I took my tiiiiiiimmmmmme. More than a couple of hours. And, in truth, if there was an acclimation problem all three would not die two weeks and a ton of food later.

No I think Im going to have to pin this on FG. Its a shame too. For fish buying anything other than a goby from them is just a risk. (Gobies are particularly hardy creatures and aren't usually candidates for the diseases I mentioned earlier).]



Edited By tdreefer on 1107387217
 
[I do believe that slower acclimation leads to oxygen depravation. I try to keep it under 45 minutes. Perhaps if you are using the drip method, the bucket they are in should have an airstone to keep oxygen levels up during that period. Also, temperature may be a concern with a longer acclimation procedure, as the water in the bucket may drop quite a bit compared to the tank.

These are merely some thoughts, not necessarily the case with the fish in question from this thread. I did find that Anthias must be acclimated very quickly as they need a lot of oxygen...]
 
[All good points Marc, generally of course, if they were oxygen deprived, two weeks of bliss is unlikely - also I don't usually do the bucket thing.

Instead, I float the bags to get the temp right. Then put a little bit of tank water in the bag every few minutes until the bag's almost full - (I know you shouldn't mix store water with home water) but this seems to work really well - I try to avoid netting as much as possible - when the bags are nearly full I swap bag water with tank water for a while. This way there is a constant supply of oxygenated water and the temps are adjusted without any shock factor.]
 
[That is my method as well. When it is time to put the item (typically a fish) in the tank, I'll pour out all the water from the bag down the sink, netting the fish at the same time, and add the fish to the tank quickly.

Two weeks does seem suspect to cyanide poisoning to me, too.]
 
[If cyanide is the chief suspect, then Fish Gallery needs to hear of this opinion. Maybe they can research their vendors to confirm and act upon any confirmation.]
 
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