RO/DI vs Distilled

I remember a long time ago, somebody made reference to distilled water being produced in copper vats. The thought was that during the distilling process a trace amount of copper ions could get into the water column. I have no idea if that is true or not but I went for the RO/DI just to be safe.
 
That may have been the case in the past, but PEX piping with an outer jacket of ethylene glycol is used nowadays in most commercial systems. It's amazing what they can do with plastics these days!

(Personally, I love my RO/DI unit.. no more trips to the store.)
 
I was talking to a guy at my church that sells Distillers for the home and commercial units as well and was asking him and he said that the RO/DI are not really cost efficient as compared to a Distiller. They use Stainless in his units but I was asking for the fact that I have added the distilled water that you can buy at Wal-Mart that is Distilled/RO/DI all in one. I know when you do one you are removing certain things and with the other you are also removing the others. That is why I was asking is it ok to use Distilled? How much is a good RO/DI unit for the home user? Is it cheaper than $.35/gal?
 
Lance,
I think most would agree Marc has a real good unit for sale on his website. I will be purchasing one of these myself soon.

http://www.melevsreef.com/ro_di.html

It's $169. And eventually pays for itself over time. Plus the convenience of being able to get water anytime you need it w/o going to the store. And finally, the ease of mind knowing that your water is actually good and not worrying did they actually change the filters and maintane the machine at the store.

Marc's is 100gpd which is really what you want. Anything less and you have to wait several hours just to get 5 gallons to do a simple water change.
 
I also am into asking how much water is waste water in an RO unit as compared to a Distiller unit. What is the cost of the filters? How do you know if the filter blows a hole? As with a distiller it was explained that the distiller would catch pure water as it boils off and the RO unit lets .05 microns pass? I am still new at all this so ask questions and you gain knowledge in the area you are asking about.
 
Read the label of the bottle, some distilled water has trace elements added back into it. :shock:
 
sounds like the guy at your church is trying to sell u a Distiller. Unless u have a nano tank or u dont do water changes it is a whole lot cheaper to buy a ro/di unit then going to lfs or Wal-Mart to buy water. as far as waste water the unit makes i havent even noticed a difference in my water bill, u could use the waste water for many things other then putting it down the drain.

And oh btw u can buy water at those water places for .25 gal
 
@Lance6270 wrote:
I also am into asking how much water is waste water in an RO unit as compared to a Distiller unit. What is the cost of the filters? How do you know if the filter blows a hole? As with a distiller it was explained that the distiller would catch pure water as it boils off and the RO unit lets .05 microns pass? I am still new at all this so ask questions and you gain knowledge in the area you are asking about. said:
You can get a dual tds meter to read the input and the output of the RODI unit...

A good percentage of the water used in an RODI unit is waste water.

Filters are cheap, and can be had from a plethora of sources.
 
Lance, I wouldn't sweat the .05 microns or whatever your Distiller person quoted. RODI is proven adequate for saltwater aquariums the world over. You watch your TDS meter to determine when the filters go bad, or you just rotate them on a schedule.

I didn't see a real good answer to your basic question - Cost per gallon vs. RO/DI from Culligan (wal-mart) in a jug. Unless you live in an uber expensive water municipality, you will save $$ depending on usage, the question is how much.

I am REALLY strapped for cash these days, so I took my trusty Excel spreadsheet and got busy.... the outcome will be different for you based on how your water municipality figures your bill and how much water you need monthly.

First figure out your usage. That was easy for me since I go to town once a week with all those darn jugs! I use 10G a week for top off, 20G a week for water change, plus 10G a week for drinking/cooking water. That's 40G a week. 20G at $.35 a gallon (fresh) plus 20G at $1 a gallon (pre-mixed salt). Or $7 + $20. So $27 a week plus gas/trouble to town (which is 10 miles one way to McKinney for me or 20 miles one way to nearest LFS for pre-mixed salt water).

Now figure out how much water it would take to equate this via a RODI system. The ratio is 5:1, so to make my 160G a month of water would take 800G of water (system uses 5 gallons of water, gets 1 good gallon, flushes 4 gallons down the sewer).

Now armed with that, I called my city. They bill in a weird way, so nevermind my calculation. All up, I get $12 a month in increased bill for water/sewer for 1,000G of increased usage. $144 a year there.

Couple that with the cost of filters. If you base it on Marc's online pricing, you will spend $98 a year in filters if you follow his recommended schedule. So, that's $98 + $144 for a total of $242 a year.

Now for salt. I need 20G a month for 12 months or 240G of mix. Red Sea is $58.99 shipped for 175G (I know it can be had cheaper locally), and that ends up being $.34/G or $81 a year. So far we are at $242 + $81 or $323 a year.

My original cost was $27 week (plus gas) or $1,296 a year based on 4 week month. Hmm.. $323 or $1,296 a year. Not much to think about there!!! This will of course vary for the number of gallons you need per week, whether you need salt, which salt you use, and how your city bills for it's water and sewer.

Initial startup cost was $300 for me, since I needed a system that could handle drinking water too (with pressure tank, valves, sink spigot, etc.) Another $200 or so, and I'll have two storage tanks in the garage for fresh/salt storage. Another $150 on top of that will automate the entire system. (rest easy Marc, that won't be plumbed directly into the sump :p )

Based on the monthly cost numbers above, that's $81 a month I'll be saving in water. It will take a little over 3.5 months for the system to pay for itself based on $300 startup cost. :D :D :D :D :D
 
I bought my 5 stage (100GPD) RO/DI unit off eBay for about $130. The thougt of making a trip to the LFS every week made me buy one, the conveinece alone is worth it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverse-Osmosis-System-100-DI-Drinking-Water-Aquarium_W0QQitemZ160132837577QQihZ006QQcategoryZ20684QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

This guy sells filters and his DI cartridges are refillable, he sells this media also.
 
One more thing, if you get a RO/DI unit and it says 100GPD (Gallons Per Day) ... this means it takes 2 hours to fill a 5 gallon jug. I would not get anything slower than 100GPD, even though the 50 and 75GPD are cheaper.
 
One this I've wondered about RO/DI units is can you turn them off for awhile without damaging the system?
 
Two major factors in time: incoming water pressure and temperature. If pressure is low it will take longer. Colder water also takes longer. I get roughly 75-80 GPD out of my 100GPD unit. (Takes 95 minutes to make 5G).

I also haven't heard anything about leaving systems pressured up but not using them for long periods.. how long did you have in mind?
 
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