New Sump

ss95003

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I am planning on getting a new Skimmer next month and doing so will cause me to have to change out my sump since it has a much bigger foot print then my current skimmer.

Here is my plans. The bold lines are pieces of glass that go to the top. So water will flow over the thinner lines. The Fuge will be feed through the loop that feeds my chiller and frag tank.

What do you think of the plans? See anything i am missing? Will it work?

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Remove DSB section... too small to be of any purpose, add the space to the fuge. Make the baffles on the right side (wall) of retun and take the skimmer section direct to the fuge section making it larger or make the fuge section larger.
 
@DaveJ wrote:
Remove DSB section... too small to be of any purpose said:
hum....I thought small was ok, since some people are just using 5 gallon buckets...You still think, it's a no go? Should i make the fuge section smaller and make the DSB area bigger? Or just bump the whole DSB idea?

I also did not think baffles would be needed on that side since there shouldn't be any air getting in. I guess there could be some from the frag tank.

So you think best option is to keep everything except DSB and add baffles there?
 
@ss95003 wrote:
[I]@DaveJ wrote:[/I][quote="Remove DSB section... too small to be of any purpose said:
hum....I thought small was ok, since some people are just using 5 gallon buckets...You still think, it's a no go? Should i make the fuge section smaller and make the DSB area bigger? Or just bump the whole DSB idea?

I also did not think baffles would be needed on that side since there shouldn't be any air getting in. I guess there could be some from the frag tank.

So you think best option is to keep everything except DSB and add baffles there?"]

My opinion on the buckets is they act more as a sink and not a true DSB. You also have the ability to remove them from the system easily, unlike putting them into the sump. You need a certain amount of surface area for a DSB to function and 84 sq inches isn't enough in my opinion.

Here is a little reading on them... When Ron was a contributor on RC, every time the question of size came up anything less than 4sqft of bed was said to be a waste of sand and would act more like a sink than a true DSB. If your whole sump was 5" deep, it would be fine, but the one little corner, while it may not harm it, won't be useful.

http://www.ronshimek.com/deep_sand_beds.html

Put the baffles between the fuge area and the return... with a passover area from the simmer to the fuge (comb gates if possible) and drain into the skimmer area and from there into the fuge and then into the return section. Or split the drain line and feed both the skimmer and fuge at different rates to maximize the fuge activity (lower flow).
 
Thanks Dave for your help and the Link....

I am/was wanting to get a Bubble king 250 internal...The more I look at the foot print though the more of a PIA it's going to be. Will cause me to have to get a new sump that is bigger or at least wider, and then i would have to redo all my plumbing.

I think I am just going to get a BK 200 that will fit in a 75 tank with no issues. I have a 75g as my sump now but want to redo it so i will probably just find another 75g and make a new sump, then it "should" just be a clean swap out.

Who knows though may change my mind again. I guess I will make a final choice when I actully place the order. :lol:
 
Steve just join the "no refuge" club like myself, mbz, J_G and acropoorer....
We all do not run no macro or remote sand bed...

Myself i am only using filter socks and protein skimming on the big tank.
 
i am going to keep live rock rubble to softball size pieces. No bio balls or macro....Seeing mbz. J_G and acropoorer's tanks and they have no phosphates or nitrates i am going to try it...
 
@Charlie wrote:
wooohoooo said:
So do I, since i do not have the new sump yet it's going to run in my frag tank for now. which is the same water supply. Will probably run bith skimmers for a while (or until i get my new sump) to see what happens.


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I don't run a DSB or any supplementary filtration either.

Just a skimmer, and a sump full of live rock.


Working out ok for me.


No Nitrates, no issues other than a little cloudyness from time to time if the sunlight hits the tank for a few hours due to open blinds.
 
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