Help choosing my lighting...

saltyrottie

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If money weren't an object, what lighting would you choose to run over a 240 SPS dominant tank? Why? How many of your pick would you use on a 72" long?
 
Do you want to have the LED/Halide argument?If I was going halides, Hamilton, 3 400W radium bulbs hung as high as is needed for the PAR you want. ?Then add chillers, bulb replacement, and the huge electrical bill that goes with it.Supplement with blue LED's to get the color where you want.If I was going to go LED's I'm partial to the Radion fixtures. ?Since you said money is no object Gen4Pro, although like all things Ecotech I would get a few more than they recommend and not run them at 100% due to the fan noise. ?They'll tell you that it can be done with 3, I'd say closer to 5. ?Really want to have some fun, get a motorized mount that tilts them through the day to change lighting angle through the day ?(thinking about this on my new tank).T5 (not sure this is really a popular choice anymore), ATI Hybrid Powermodule. ?They don't make that in 72" so you're stuck with two 36" units, one 60" unit, or ideally the guts from two 36" units in a custom enclosure (hey, you said no object). ?Of course 8 bulb each, not 4.Obviously there are less costly ways to get great results, but if you completely remove money from the equation the above is my first guess.
 
Lol! I'm definitely not going the halide route. I am looking at the radion gen4, I like the looks of them. I've looked at the guiseman led/t5 combo lights but those are crazy priced. Radions with supplemental t5's?
 
You could go that route, but now you're putting some cost limitations on :). ?Personally my next big build will be Gen3Pro Radions as (after a lot of hunting) I was able to get them at 1/3 the cost of new G4Pro units. ?Aiming for 1/2 of new cost is probably a more realistic goal, but still saves a lot over new. ?The only complication of supplemental T5s is mounting aesthetics, and this isn't an issue if you have a canopy to hide them in.I've heard many good things over the years about Giesemann's T5HO bulbs, but I have no experience with their fixtures.Hopefully someone with a bit more LED experience than me will chime in here.?Edit: I've also gone the DIY route. ?Certainly more cost effective if buying new, the PAR on my RapidLED Aurora pucks is pretty close to the Gen3Pro Radions, although the aesthetics and controls are not as good. ?No clue how they will hold up long term as the Aurora pucks aren't that old in comparison to the Gen3Pro units I have.
 
I was just really hoping no one would saw the guiseman'so were a must have! 2500-3500!! Nice fixtures though. I guess my question was too open ended?? Lol!?To be more specific: I want leds, supplemented with t5's if people really thought it would be worth it. Are the radions worth the $$? Better than the hydra 52's? Are either much better than Steve's LED's? Other leds?If radions or hydras, how many?I will have an open topped canopy.
 
The first thing on the Steve's kits is that you MUST prevent salt spray from touching the LED's. ?Unless you have a lid, plan to make a splash shield, or are 100% sure that salt water will NEVER touch them I would not go that route. ?I had the unfortunate experience of trying to fix a Steve's kit for someone who had used them over a tank where they were exposed to a minor amount of mist for a long period if time. ?I finally gave them away rather than continue to try to fix them. ?The joints were all corroded and the LED emitters were literally falling apart from the salt.Additionally consider the difference between "hand made" and "home made". ?"Hand made" implies character, craftsmanship, etc. ?"Home made" sounds more like "My third grader made this in art class". ?The Steve's kits are in the "home made" category. ?They look like someone grafted a computer fan to a chunk of 1" aluminum square tube they got at Home Depot, then used dad's pop rivet gun to attach the LEDs. ?Now mind you Steve (whoever he is) is correct in the sense that his design is probably the most cost effective route. ?From a value standpoint it is a beauty of using off the shelf parts in a way that works well. ?Unfortunately it also looks like you cobbled it together in high school electronics class*. ?I would call it a good system for a Biocube or other situation where it is hidden from view. ?You could get away with it in your canopy, but you really do need to plan in a thin acrylic splash shield to keep the salt spray off of them.The Rapid LED kits are a bit nicer looking and come with a built in acrylic spray shield. ?If you don't mind putting it together yourself and figuring out how to make the wires look nice you can save some money by getting the dual puck dimmable aurora kit. ?You could also get the non dimmable kit, although I think you will want to dim or turn off the whites to get the color a bit more on the blue side.For a bit more you can get Rapid's Corona fixtures and control it with the FishBit app. ?This gets you a computer interface for dimming, takes care of the wiring issues, you don't have to mount ballasts or buy a controller, etc. ?Mind you FishBit has been very flaky and flat out won't work some days, so there is a risk there. ?Rapid supports their products, but they do not support FishBit. ?My one friend who uses these has not been able to get a response from FishBit despite many tries, so consider yourself warned. ?The dual puck Aurora kit is in the range of a Gen3/Gen3Pro Radion in terms of light output. ?The Corona is the same thing just already in assembled in a nice package.The good news about Rapid is that free shipping and a 10% or 15% off sale is always around the corner. ?The downside is that you're talking somewhere around $350-380 (on sale) per fixture. ?At that price point if you are willing to buy used you can get a Gen3Pro Radion with some looking, or a Gen3 non-pro Radion any day of the week.The folks at Ecotech will tell you you can put 3?XR30 Radion units over your tank, personally I would use at least 4 as I find they tend to err on the low side to make their units seem effectively cheaper due to not needing as many. ?If you want fast SPS growth in the bottom of the tank, in the back corners, etc then I would say 5, although in reality most people don't pack high light stuff in the back corner. ?I will say that the Gen3Pro Radion fans at 100% are much louder than the other options above. ?I don't know if they run cooler or not. ?You see very few complaints about this and I think it is because nearly nobody runs all channels at 100%. ?Dim the whites down by using the built in programs and they are much quieter.If it were my money I'd probably stop at 4 and throw on the T5HO bulbs on the front. ?Use good reflectors and keep the salt spray off of them!The supplemental T5s will cut down a lot on shadowing. ?I've found that most people don't find the shadowing to be a big deal until they add something more uniform like a T5, and then it stands out just how many fewer shadows there are with the T5s on.I can't speak to a comparison to the Hydras, so hopefully someone else chimes in.?*Yes my lights are hanging from unfinished 1x2s and propped on spare chunks of 2x4 that I threw together in a hurry one afternoon, it looks awful, guilty here too.
 
^And I sincerely apologize for that wall of text, I didn't realize just how long it was until I submitted it and saw it on the screen.
 
Thank you! I totally appreciate the wall of posts, great input! I think doing the 4 radions and supplemental t5's are the direction I'm leaning. Bummed I can't get by with 3 instead of 4 though. I'm only going to be able to do this once so I need to make it count!?
 
two?5 ft T5 v-shaped Hamiltons and two kessils (AP700) would be my choice; I however do like all the program capabilities with aquaillumination.I'm currently using twin v-shaped hamiltons ( 5 ft) and 6 Color Vegas in my 9 ft long tank?which is 42 inches deep.Everything has very nice colors and I have successfully recovered sps/lps and about bleached anemones.
 
I would not say that Ecotech will low light your tank. ?They want to sell lights! ?I had 3 Gen3Pros to light my 400g (7'x3'x30"deep) and called them to ask about mounting an lenses and ended up buying 3 more Gen3Pros, TIR lenses, and more rail kits for them all! ?They told me to hang them at 9 inches above the water. ?I found that all of that customization is too much work to fine tune. ?I started out by bleaching everything I put in the tank and ended with them being so blue all the time that it looked dark. ?When my tank leaked, I pulled 3 of the lights out, used all the rails I had to custom build a new light rack with 2 5ft T5 fixtures (4 bulbs total). ?I attached some before and after pictures. ?I like this new hybrid setup much better!View attachment 313
 
[[I use the LEDZeal, I believe?Ricky does too and he has lots of sps. So on the dimension?you gave you would probably want the following: (2) LEDZeal Malibu S? ]][S200. ][Just email them with your dimensions and they can quote you the right setup.]http://www.ledzeal.com/p43.html??
 
I would not say that Ecotech will low light your tank. ?They want to sell lights! ?I had 3 Gen3Pros to light my 400g (7'x3'x30"deep) and called them to ask about mounting an lenses and ended up buying 3 more Gen3Pros said:
Might just be a consistency thing then. ?They told you 6 on a 7'x3'x30" tall? ?They told me 5 for a 10.5 ft x 34" x ~31" tall. ?Also stated the number wouldn't change if it was Gen4Pro or Gen3Pro.My concern is that there ends up being a bright spot underneath and dim spots between them at 2' spacing. ?Pretty uniform by the bottom of the tank, but not so much near the top.
 
I say throw a couple Kessil AP700's on there.? Those fixtures are SIIIICK and TONS of light.
 
That's the direction I was planning on going, but I decided I was going to try out these new lights that bulk reef supply is now carrying. Supposedly they are great. If not, I guess I'll return them and go with the Kessils.?
 
By far best lighting I've seen and best growth is from Kessil lighting. You really can't go wrong with them. Only cheaper option with same results is have your own custom light bar built. And there's some really great local guys who can do it.
 
If you are doing SPS and money is no object I don't think there is any other direction than T5 / LED hybrid.? Undeniably the growth and color from T5's is the best, but who can live without that shimmer??
 
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