deeper sand bed

I would like to add more sand to my sand bed. How do I go about doing this? It is currently one to one and a half inches deep. My tank has been set up for nearly 4 months w live rock, completely cycled w/ 2 clown fish, 2 shrimp, crabs and snails. Hope this is not a stupid question.

Thanks for any suggestions or advice.
Lori
 
several ways to do it. If it is non live sand (i.e. southdown or similar) you need to rinse the sand before hand.

Use a piece of PVC pipe and put it down to the top of your existing bed. then pour the new sand through it. Make several small piles but don't completely cover the existing bed. The allows the critters and bacteria to spread without being choked out and dieing. The small piles will spread on their own. You can do this as many times as needed till you get it to the depth you want.
 
There are no stupid questions... :)

What I did when I wanted to add more sand:

Get some good small grain calcium-based sand (Aragonite, pulverized limestone, etc)

Rinse it with fresh water to get most of the finer bits out.

Get a wide diameter piece of PVC pipe, put it in the tank with the bottom of it almost on the current sand bed. Put a funnel in the top end, and start scooping sand in, flushing occassionally with a cup of tank water to get it all down there. Ocassionally lift the PVC a bit to let the sand out, and move the PVC around the tank, filling in the low spots...


There are other ways to do this, that's just what I've done, and it worked for me...


Oh yeah, having a micron filter, or a filtersock with a MJ pumping into it, and some paper towels lined on the inside of it will help clear up any residual cloudiness pretty quick too...
 
Thanks so much for the info; I will be trying this over the weekend and will also be Joining the society as everyone here seems so willing to help unlike some of the LFS employees.

Lori
 
Well, in THAT case:

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To emphasize a point grim bob eluded to. Don't add to much at a time. You want the critters to migrate up to the top and not smother them. I would add no more then 3/4" of an inch at a time (I'd probably do 1/2") and then wait a couple weeks and ad more so if you were going to add 2" do it in 3 - 4 steps over a month or six weeks.
 
@lobek wrote:
One last question on this topic-if I add "live" sand said:
If you were to do that, your sand would most likely no longer be "alive".
At least, not to the extent it was prior to rinsing with freshwater.
 
@lobek wrote:
I would like to add more sand to my sand bed. How do I go about doing this? It is currently one to one and a half inches deep. My tank has been set up for nearly 4 months w live rock said:
Lori, here is how I did just the same thing not too long ago and it worked wonderfully for me. In your case you can add your existing sand on top of the new if its basically the same brand and grain size etc.. If you only have 1 inch, the chances of you having something nasty built up is slim, but its best to only skim off the top 1/2 inch or so and discard the rest.

Here is the method I recently used to redo my 1 inch bed into a 6 in DSB.

Now, putting it in an established tank. This is the only way I have had success doing it, others may have different methods. Start as early in the day as possible... sunrise (not kidding)

First get yourself a nice holding tank (20 gal) with an airstone and heater. (Cheap and can become your new quarantine tank). Pull water out of your tank into that new tank and then transfer over your fish, inverts and any critters you can get with a few pieces of LR for cover.

Next remove all your live rock and place into a garbage can, then drain water to cover that up with a heater.

Next drain your water as far down as you can saving it in another garbage can if needed.... do not stir up your old sand if possible.

Next scoop out all the sand and discard into a pile out in the garage someplace covered (youll be going back to it later and need a place where you can spread it around).

Rinse off the sides of the tank and get the bottom as clean as possible, draining it out again as best as you can.

Next... put in your new sand bed. As you pour it in,sift around with your hand taking out any rocks, shells or large pieces of trash that are in there.

Next... place a lid from a bucket on top of the sand and lay the end of the water feed line (from your water holding can) on top of that nad let the water hit it first. Let it run for a few minutes until the sand is just a littel covered. Use a low powered pump like a mag 5 at most, you want the water to fill in as slowly as possible.

Next run your hand through the bed again, adjusting the height and making sure there are no dry spots.

Next put the lid back on top of the sand and start filling again.... keep an eye on it and do no let any direct water flow onto the sand (youll get a really bad storm). Fill up about 4 inchs more then stop.

Next replace your rockwork and get it seated and solid and in the positions you want it. (You can also do this once your sand is wet). You may also consider a rock lift kit that will keep your rock off the SB itself.. Contact Bill at bp@bendbroadband.com to get some photos of the lift kit. Its basically acrylic matrix with 3/4 rods with sharp ends to hold your rock in place. It sits on the bottom of the tank and you put the sand around it. This keeps the rock off your DSB improving DSB performance and eliminating the dead rock zones you get with burying rock and any undermining or potential shifts if you get burrowing shrimp etc. Its a neat product and a good investment.

Start refilling again until the tank is full.

Now that that is done, go to the pile of old say with a pair of tongs and a bowl of saltwater. Dig around in the sand and pull out as many of those lovely worms and critters that you can find from the old bed, into the bowel. Once you have done that, drop them into the new tank.... along with about a cup or two of the old sand.

Turn on the lights but not the pumps yet.. just the lights up top. Keep it like that until around 6 pm or so then turn the pumps on. This will give things the best chance to settle... you can then turn on the heater and get your tank up to temp, then transfer your critters from the holding tank into the new one.

You will always ahve some foam or residue on the glass or water edges, but it will go away in a few days. Just avoid powerheads for a week and only use the pumps for circulation, just keep the airstone in there to make sure the water is oxygenated.
 
That sounds so labor intensive compared to other advice and methods described above.
Is all that really necessary?

Lori
 
An OK method (yet to much potential for die off IMO) but very labor intensive. It is "quick" if measured by amount of time to increase the depth and not manhours! Of course this is only my opinion and it's worth what you paid for it!

He was also trying to go from 1" to 6" which would have taken many many weeks with the other method so it made sense in that case.

If you add an ~inch every 2 weeks you'll be to 4" in like 4-6 weeks which is reasonable. 1"6" would take 10-12 weeks which is an awefully long time.
 
Thanks Keith. I think i will continue the slow method of adding using the PVC pipe since I have already started.
Thanks to everyone who responded.

Lori
 
@lobek wrote:
That sounds so labor intensive compared to other advice and methods described above. Is all that really necessary? Lori said:
Actually its not that bad... depending on how your tank is setup and how much rock you have etc. The main thing about the method I used was to keep the amount of milky water down and actually get the entire thing done in one swoop. If you have no problem doing it over time, the pvc method would work just as well. All depends on your needs and schedule.
 
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