If you start using the phosban, watch your alkalinity closely, it causes the alkalinity to drop when you start using it. Also the lights out thing can work in some cases. But two things, having the lights out for a few days can cause the Ph to drop in the tank, which causes problems. And even if it does go away temporarily because of no light, it will just come back when the lights come back on unless you get rid of the excess nutrient problem.