Aragacrete

BrianC

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[Has anyone made this stuff it's in July's newsletter by Kevin Trotman. I am assuming some have any problems with it and does anyone make and sell it???]
 
[There's a ton of info on the aragacrete sculptured structues out on the Garf site - how to make the mix, form, and cure it. Pretty innovative. Have to let it cure in fresh water for a while as you would suppose. Chump change for costs. Advantage is you can plan how your tank rock will look, complete with caves, nooks, and those deep sea divers standing next to a treasure chest thing but I like to think it's any of the Pauly's, especially Pauly Shore, in the suit after a very large meal of bean-weinies and that adds to the effect...
However, I found that I could buy Hawaiian base rock for about $0.50/lb, including shipping, off eBay and that pretty much ended my creative efforts, 'cepting which hammer to use and are I going to drill some more holes in the base rock.

So there you go, how creative do you want to be? You can buy these sculpted from the garf.org site or have Pauly Shore or any of the Coreys in the divers suit and treasure chests - priceless!]
 
[Brian,
I made some small pieces according to the instructions on the GARF site. Most of my pieces were just small bases to attach frags to and provide an easy way to mount the frags into my tank. I was also having some problems getting a clam to stay perched so I used this stuff to make a custom rock with a concave crevace for the clam to stay put until it attached. It worked out pretty well in my tank but I dont see any benefits in trying to sell it (I wouldn't consider myself an artist). The biggest drawback to the stuff is the amount of time it takes to cure (in Freshwater to let all the chemicals leach out from the portland cement) and then the additional time it takes to get covered with goodies in your tank before it looks respectable. If you do make some make sure to use the PVC or plastic shavings as these really seem to help the coralline attach to the rock.]
 
[Hey Andy, anyway I could get you to try your hand a making a couple of small peices for me? Or, maybe do you still have a couple of peice you could sell or trade. I really want to see how well this stuff works!]
 
[Hi
I have made a couple of hundred pounds of it, But the Hawii base rock is almost as cheap I have thought of making small ice cube size pieces to mount frags to. Does any one think there would be a market for them? If you need a special piece, mabey I could help you out.
Joe]
 
[Sure Hydro definitely intrested. Give me an idea of what you could do and I would be happy to buy say 10lbs if it could be done at .50 a lb.]
 
[Brian,
I can bring some of the small frag mounting plugs I made to the swap this weekend if you would like. The stuff has already been soaked in FW (for several months now to allow the portland cememt time to leach out its chemicals) and is ready to use. We could also talk about making or sizing the stuff however you want.]
 
[Andy,
I for one would like to hear you talk about making Agracrete rocks. I've tried once, but my concrete mixture wasn't correct. The rocks fell apart after a few weeks.]
 
[???... You can't make live rock?. What we are discussing is making synthetic live rock. I'm not sure what you mean by "base rock"? Please don't be discouraged to ask questions; when I was new at this I asked very similiar questions. I may also not have understood the question.]
 
[Actually Brian you can make live rock if you have enough time, you make base rock or just buy dead "dry" rock or lime stone put it in a healthy tank and wait for the corilina algee to spreed on to it and Viola "live rock" with out all the hitch hickers
Joe :p]
 
[That's not live rock though, that is dead rock. You can also use man made lava rock provided it has been cleaned. I think that is what is meant by base rock in rtb3 writing. However, base rock really should refer to the stuff that is found deeper at the bases of coral reefs and has been dead a very long time! Usually, it has very few live cultures in it and is not very pourous.]
 
["Live Rock" is one of those terms that has come to mean different things to different people. More often now, it used as a marketing term.

Back when the Berlin methodology first came about(and if you are using "LR" and a skimmer only, you are using the Berlin method), "Live Rock" meant any rock which had "live" resident bacterial populations.

Through competitve marketing initiatives from various retailers, the term has sorta evolved to mean, full of corraline, macros, corals attached, and all kinds of nifty things. But as far as the Berlin method is concerned, it refers to resident bacterial populations only.

Obviously the more porous the rock, the larger the bacterial populations that can reside there. This rock, for those using the Berlin Method, is the most desirable, and the most expensive.

To help defray some of the expense in setting up a system, often times people will build the lower structure of their system using "base rock". Base rock, is nothing more than a ambiguous subjective term, but in this context, it usually means, nonporous(or less porous than the other rock you are using...). It's less desirable, and less expensive. The solid limestone slabs you see on the shelf at your LFS is a perfect example of this. Not very porous, and with no resident living bacterial populations. But it provides a cheap foundation to begin the building of your reef structure.

Where rock is found in the reef has nothing to do with it being considered "live" or "dead". In fact, I'd submit that even the most dense, least porous rock you could find in the ocean, would still be considered "live" when harvested, and if I took a chunk of prime fiji out of my tank, and let it sit for a year in the sun, it would be considered "dead".

The term "live rock" is often one where the hobbyist gets lost between methodology and marketing. Aragocrete while "dead" sitting in your garage after mixing it up, will likely be very much "alive" soon after adding it to you tank, meaning, bacterial populations will move in and set up shop.]
 
@DuaneD wrote:
[and if I took a chunk of prime fiji out of my tank said:
[Yeah and after a few hours of it sitting there and your wife smelling it. You'd be considered, "DEAD". :D]
 
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