55g Display 'fuge build

Not to jump in with a 'me too' post (sorry, Serk), but this weekend I finally started digging into setting up a display refugium beside my main tank.

Why? Nitrate export. I've been having consistent nitrate issues that water changes haven't been able to keep manageable. I've been changing 20g every week (tried 15g, didn't really make a dent.) Nitrates are consistently 40-80ppm.

I wonder if part of my problem is lack of live rock (only have about 170lb in a 175g tank) or maybe the size of the rock (most of it is softball sized at max- not enough anerobic areas.)

Anyway.. So I got a great deal on a reef ready 55g tank, stand, canopy, and lights. Picked it up a couple of weeks ago, and started planning. I had thought about supplying it with water via one of the overflows from the main tank, but once I got the tank home, I realized that the bottom of the overflow was only about an inch higher than the output pipe in the 55.

Thanks to Serk, I decided to treat it like a second tank, but using the same sump. Drop another pump in the return section, and have it dump along with the main tank into the same sump.

I took a closer look at the tank, and I realized someting.. it didn't start life as a reef ready, and someone didn't really know what they were doing when they converted it. The bulkheads were installed upside down, and to account for that, someone glommed a bunch of silicone around the nuts for the bulkhead. Once I peeled that off, I realized that I had compromised the seal around the overflow box. Doh! So I finished tearing it out, cleaning it up, and reset / resealed both the overflow box and two new bulkheads.

While the silicone was curing, I dropped by home depot and picked up three bags of pavestone crushed limestone. Talk about a mess to rinse. I ended up washing and dumping in two bags after the silicone had cured for about 24 hours. This gave me a 4-5" sand bed. I still haven't decided if I'm going to add that third bag.

Last night after work, I hit the local hardware store and left with a fistful of plumbing components, a length of 3/4" ID tubing, and a few joints of 1" pipe.

This morning I picked up a pump from the LFS, and got started. I built my first durso standpipe from 1-1/4" pipe, and plumbed a 1" bit of pipe for the output. (I had to go up to 1" pipe to account for the mess that the bulkheads were in, when compared to the hole drilled in the overflow box. (Ended up having to re-drill the 3/4" hole to fit a 1" pipe.)

I did a double 45 degree section to raise the anti-siphon to within 1/2" of the surface of the water (thanks, Marc), and reduced it to 1/2" pipe for a spray bar. Once the top side was done, I got out the chop saw and started on the bottom. On the durso bulkhead, I screwed in a 1" FPT - 3/4" barbed fitting, and ran the tubing to the pump in a 5g bucket.

On the drain side, I installed a 1" union, which caused me to have to do some jiggery pokery. I drilled a hole in the back of my stand to accomodate my current sump that is raised up on a stand. The height of this hole was actually higher than the bottom of the union fitting. I used a couple of elbows to raise it up to about 2" above the hole. This gives me about 1/4" per foot of slope. I installed a tee, valve, and a union in the middle of the drain line (so that I could temporarily dump into the same 5g bucket that the pump was sitting in. The other end went into the hole in the stand and will eventually dump into the sump.

I leak tested the overflow chamber.. no leaks.. wait.. slow drip.. tighten bulkhead.. NO LEAKS :)

I filled up the tank with tap water, watching for any leaks.. none so far. I finally got up the nerve to turn on the pump and.. one leak. I installed the teflon tape on the threaded to barbed fitting the wrong way. Easy fix. Tried it again, and... wait.. wait.. no leaks! woot! And no flushing or slurping, even with fresh water. I thought about taking a picture then, but.. well.. I didn't rinse the pavestone as well as I should.. so it was a tank full of milk.

I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to black out the side of my display tank. Like Serk, I had originally thought to run the lights in a reverse photoperiod, but I'm afraid the light will interfere with the circadian rhythm of the main tank.

I'm going to fill it up with saltwater tomorrow, work permitting. I'll probably let the sandstorm settle for a few days once I get it filled, before setting it running inline with the main tank.

Here's a pic of the tank with a few pieces of LR for perspective.
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And the spray bar..
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And the plumbing below..
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@Ashlar wrote:
Thanks to Serk said:
Sorry if my explanation wasn't clear, but I'm feeding everything out of one sump as well; the main sump for my system...

Looks good! You're ahead of me, I'm still working out the plumbing... But then again, I'm up "working" until 6AM Sunday morning so I should make some headway tonight...

As far as the light goes, I think I'd black out the side of the 'fuge before I blacked out the side of my display. Tape a piece of cardboard on the side of the 'fuge nearest your display, and see if that blocks enough light going into the reef...
 
@Serk wrote:
As far as the light goes said:
I'll try that tonight once the lights are out, but I have a feeling that I'd end up having to cover a large section of the 'fuge. It sits back from the edge of the main tank, and the I think least bit of light will get transmitted along the long pane of the main tank's front glass.
 
Yeah, it'd require some pretty decent re-engineering, but is there room to move the 'fuge a few feet to the left, and put a bookshelf or something in there to act as a natural light-break? Just a thought...
 
Yeah, I thought if that, too.. If I could sell that arcade machine.. hint.. hint.. bueller.. bueller.. *grin*

As an update, I mixed up some water, buffered it, and I'm heating it. Milky tank. Arrgh. Probably need to add a few more scoops of salt as well.

Serk, I like your idea about a gradual mixing of the two bodies of water. I plan on using a 1 gallon jug and dumping from the main tank to the 'fuge. As it overflows, it'll start dumping back into the shared sump. I'll probably mix it in a little slower than your five minutes of pumping, but that's just me being paranoid.
 
In reality I'll prolly run the pump for just a few seconds (Gallon or two).

The reason I wanna do it this way, is if I just manually move water from the display to the 'fuge, I don't get to test out the plumbing from the main tank to the fuge... I'd thought of doing it that way too, but I'm really anxious to have a look-see at the plumbing...

You could always put the arcade machine between them. That'd ba a very unique look! :)

I like having them a little bit apart, so that when someone walks in the room, they don't immediately think they're connected, if that makes sense...
 
@Serk wrote:
In reality I'll prolly run the pump for just a few seconds (Gallon or two). The reason I wanna do it this way said:
That's why I put in a T and valve.. I bypassed the return line to the sump so that I could test it out. The only bit not tested is a single elbow connection. (And I guess the plug I put in the T after my leak test.)

@Serk wrote:
You could always put the arcade machine between them. That'd ba a very unique look! :) said:
Lol, it would indeed. At this point, I really don't feel like breaking it down to move it, so I'll probably end up putting something over the end of the main tank. My wife suggested something like a window shade- something I can pull down at night. Hehe. Maybe a curtain rod on the canopy of the 55 and some blackout curtains. *snort*

@Serk wrote:
I like having them a little bit apart said:
Definitely! Any excuse for someone to ask a question and get a good long explanation. I'm right there with ya! :)
 
Well, I spent some time this evening trying to black out different sections of the main tank, 'fuge, etc etc.

My conclusion? While I can keep direct light from entering the 175g tank by blacking out the side of it, too much reflected light enters the tank via bouncing off other furniture in the room. It's about comparable to pointing a 15" NO fixture at the tank from 4' away.

I think I'm either going to have to run the fuge lights on a 7a - 9p schedule, or make a curtain mounted to the canopy that I can pull at night.
 
Well, it's now running inline with my main tank.

No pictures yet, as I got impatient for the HOB filter to work and now both tanks are a bit cloudy.

I moved the little bit of cheato, razor, and feather caulerpa over to the new tank.

Which brings me to my next question. Which of these, if any, prefer to be rooted? The razor and feather seem to have distinct roots. Do you normally root these guys? (They've been sitting in my sump that is devoid of substrate with a daylight CF bulb on them.)

I've got a bit of a gurgle on the end dumping into the sump. It doesn't matter if the end of the pipe is submerged or not- still gurgles a bit. I thnk the pump I got is a bit too powerful. I'll pick up some barbed 3/4" fittings, tee, and valve and bypass the pump a bit to see if that resolves it.

It might be the U I had to make to get the drain pipe above the level of the sump.. if that's the case, a new sump should take care of it later.
 
Have you thought about blocking the light with a couple of Chloroplast panels attached with velcro? It seems if you were to block the end and front of the fuge...
It would be easy to attach and remove and comes in a variety of pleasing colors. :lol:
 
Cheato does NOT like to be rooted, prefers to be a ball, and preferebly have the ball "rolling" in the current to keep all sides getting light....

Taxifolia sends out roots and will grip onto just about anything, rocks, sand, it doesn't care. I put new shoots on the bottom and put a small piece of rock on it to hold it down...

Racemosa (Grape) is similiar, the roots aren't just QUITE as aggressive (In my experiences)...
 
@DalaiTom wrote:
Have you thought about blocking the light with a couple of Chloroplast panels attached with velcro? It seems if you were to block the end and front of the fuge... It would be easy to attach and remove and comes in a variety of pleasing colors. :lol: said:
Hrmm.. what's chloroplast? I assume not the cells in plants that are photosynthetic.. :p

@Serk wrote:
Cheato does NOT like to be rooted said:
Thanks! I'll break apart the big ball of feather and razor and 'plant' it.
 
Scott - Go to TCU Reefer's build log, and scroll down until you see a picture with big black sheets:

http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=13879&start=90

Basically, from what I understand (Disclaimer, never seen the stuff in person) think of it as plastic cardboard sheets...

In fact, you might wanna cozy up to TCU Reefer... " I'll have plenty left over so if anyone needs some, I'll give it to you when I'm done. "

Good idea on using that... Make kinda a "Blind" for the corner of the fuge that can be removed if you want...
 
So on to stocking.. I have all this bare sand.. heh.. got me thinking about the seagrass flats in galveston bay. I'm wondering if a trip to Houston is in order.

I wouldn't mind having waving fronds of eel grass in my 'fuge. Anyone know what other things grow in the bay that might work in a refugium?
 
I'm still intrigued by Angela's (orchidsnfish) oysters with barnacles. They look exactly like what I've collected in Galveston previously. Supposedly they're an excellent bio-filter.
 
Scott, if you wanna save a road trip:

http://tinyurl.com/jjruy

This guy has a ton of other goodies. This is the place Angela (OrchidsnFish) got her Mangroves and other macros from. Once my new 'fuge is fully stable, and I've gotten whatever leftovers she has from her, if I have any room left I'm toying with the idea of trying to see if this place is interested in doing a group buy for us...

Here's a link to his eBay store: http://stores.ebay.com/Exotic-Aquatics-and-Pets

I'm planning on stocking my 'fuge with Mangroves, Gracillaria (Prolly massacering the spelling on that one) and other more uncommon macro's, avoiding the stuff that's already in abundance in the area (No Taxifolia, Cheato, Racemosa, etc)
 
I'd thought about mangroves, but I plan on leaving the canopy on this tank, so no room.

The oysters sound cool, I'd be up for a GB that included these guys.

Serk, are you going to stock mostly planted, or free floating? Or a mixture?

Geez, I checked out that ebay store.. I can see them getting to know me by name.. hehe
 
@Ashlar wrote:
Geez said:
I know whatcha mean! Angela's had good experiences with them too... AND, since they're down in Corpus, looks like we can get overnight shipping for $10... I've seen him mention a MARSH discount in a few of his listings, so we MIGHT be able to sweet-talk him into giving the DFWMAS a discount too... (Although between me and you, his prices ain't that bad to start with IMHO) If you wanna approach him about the possibilty of a DFWMAS group buy before I do, please do, it's gonna be a while yet until I'm ready to order anything... (Main thing I'd be after is a single concise listing of what he's got, and how much he'd charge us for the items in a group-buy situation). If we can get him to offer a "formal" DFWMAS member discount, than that'd be a nice bonus...

As far as my stocking, I'm planning on mainly planted items... To be honest I haven't put a LOT of thought into the stocking of it yet, but definitely several mangroves (Thus the lack of a hood.) If the Mangroves start to grow too tall, the thoughts are to take the PC fixture that's elevated over the tank now and DIY it over to a hanging one so I can raise it as needed. Prolly some of the oysters Amanda has as well... I'm also considering, once it's settled in, 1 or MAYBE 2 Engineer Goby's to keep things stirred up, but not sure if they'd harm the Mangrove's, so need to do more thinking and researching on that first...
 
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