10" DSB ... Worth doing so deep?

I'm going with a remote DSB, so I can make it as deep as I want. Would going over the "optimal" 6" be worth it?

Is there any benefit ... Even minimal ... To deeper sand beds?
 
I don't think it would hurt to go somewhat deeper, but I'm not sure it would be of notable benefit either. The recommended depth is mainly a function of the biological requirements of a correctly populated DSB. You do want to minimize the anoxic region in your DSB--depth is only one variable to that end, flow rate and particle size, and biological composition are others.

As far as denitrification goes, I believe that is a function of DSB area more than depth (flow and particle size assumptions here...).

Personally, I'd recommend sticking to the cookbook DSB design as per Ron S. Keep in mind that there are many different designs (with different goals) out there that use the same acronym.
 
I don't know if you have seen how they do the rdsb but how I am doing it is using two 5 gallon buckets with an inlet/outlet and sand in there. That's why I say I could go more than 6" ... Probably around 8".

Flow will be what runs through my sump, about 500gph or I could split them up and run 250gph through each.
 
I don't know if you have seen how they do the rdsb but how I am doing it is using two 5 gallon buckets with an inlet/outlet and sand in there. That's why I say I could go more than 6" ... Probably around 8".

Flow will be what runs through my sump, about 500gph or I could split them up and run 250gph through each.
 
I really don't know much about that sort of "DSB". That's more of a sand-based denitrator, sounds like.

I know Anthony Calfo has worked with those quite a bit. Might be worth a trip over to the marine depot forums.
 
Hi,

Remote Deep Sand Bed's work very well, I doubt if you will need 2 five gallon buckets. Here is a good article on making one. http://forums.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?305309-Starting-Remote-Deep-Sand-Bed-DIY-in-bucket

Cheers,
 
That's exactly how I planned on doing it.

Do you personally have one?

And the reason I say two is because I've read somewhere that a 5 gallon per 50 gallons is recommended. Plus it's cheap and it's not bad to have too much (like me having a 125g skimmer for my 55g)
 
I think the term Remote DSB is a bit misleading. According to Dr Ron, the surface area exposed to the water column needs to be a certain size in order to facilitate the DSB process as a whole. Ive read quite a bit on those when they first hit the scene a few years back and I am convinced they are not true DSB devices, but nitrate/detritus sinks. This view is based on the large number of people who attempted DSBs in their smaller aquariums many years back, only to have them 'top' out or stop functioning in a short bit of time. In this particular case, that is made less important because you can easily replace the bucket of sand, unlike breaking down a tank to replace a sandbed.

Does that make them useless? Not at all, because they do appear effective for a time. Just view them as large sand filters with a bit of nitrate reduction capability and not a true DSB itself and that will help. Remember the term DSB is really for beds in a tank that are sustainable over the life of the tank.

That said, 3/4 full is about what I have seen as effective. The risks are in the pumps, filling and draining the bucket takes some fine tuning and adjustment and is a failure point. Other than that and the space, they won't hurt anything and the depth doesn't matter once you reach 6 or so inches. Once you work out a safe fill/drain mechanism you should be good to go.

Just remember to still keep an eye on nitrates after you put it in, you'll see a decline over time, but unless you replace it, the number will start to creep up after some time has passed. When that happens, swap it out, re-seed and reconnect.
 
Exactly that's a great summary of what a rdsb really is!

I have heard of replacing the sand every year, since you have done more research than I, do you think that's too long or just right? Becuase if it's ever two months or so that would be too much of a hassle.
 
@TCUguy wrote:
Exactly that's a great summary of what a rdsb really is! I have heard of replacing the sand every year said:
I think that would depend on the system itself and how much you feed etc. The bucket will have an absorption limit that will vary. I'd just go based off your nitrate/PO4 readings. If they bottom out, use that as your line in the sand so to speak and if they start to creep up and assuming you haven't changed your feeding or water change regime then start thinking about replacement.
 
I had one of these on my 58G for a few months before transitioning to my current tank. One of the most important things to get right is the amount of flow across the surface in order to "minimize" the amount of detritus etc., that can settle. After it was broken in I even tried to force a nitrate reading by overfeeding and testing the following day. While I was surprised to not be able to get a reading, I did conclude that that stuff can't all be getting fully processed and that it is a sink, but would last quite a while before becoming problematic. My initial plans were to changout every 18 months but with my travel schedule at that time, I decided to just go with a sulfur denitrator with my new setup.

Cheers,
 
@bimmerzs wrote:
I had one of these on my 58G for a few months before transitioning to my current tank. One of the most important things to get right is the amount of flow across the surface in order to "minimize" the amount of detritus etc. said:
Is the sulfur denitrator similar to the das idea?...i know its not the same deal but is that kind of what it tried to do. Have a link to one of those devices and how it works
 
@Saltpro wrote:
[I]@bimmerzs wrote:[/I][quote="I had one of these on my 58G for a few months before transitioning to my current tank. One of the most important things to get right is the amount of flow across the surface in order to "minimize" the amount of detritus etc. said:
Is the sulfur denitrator similar to the das idea?...i know its not the same deal but is that kind of what it tried to do. Have a link to one of those devices and how it works"]

I use the midwest aquatic's brand, it could be another alternative to a RDSB. Actually, running the RDSB allowed me time to save up for the denitrator. Lots of info here.... http://www.midwestaquatic.com/

Cheers,
 
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